Time, Consciousness, and Unconsciousness

Jcs-online, msg# 18101

Let us consider the following statement:

S1: Unconsciousness can persist for at most zero seconds.

I suggest that this statement is true.

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Argument:

Let us suppose the following:

- O_A is a conscious observer that exists in spacetime.
- O_A is the only conscious observer that exists in spacetime.
- m1 is the moment "1:00 pm, Jan. 1, 2000."
- m2 is the moment "2:00 pm, Jan. 1, 2000."
- O_A ceases to be conscious at the moment m1.
- O_A does not regain consciousness until the moment m2.
- The time dimension of spacetime does not pass.
- When O_A is unconscious, O_A's subjective time does not pass.

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Now let us consider the following statements:

S2: Between m1 and m2, time passes for a duration greater than zero seconds.
S3: Between m1 and m2, O_A is unconscious for a duration greater than zero seconds.
S4: Between m1 and m2, O_A is unconscious for at most zero seconds.
S5: When O_A is unconscious, O_A's subjective time does not pass.
S6: O_A can remain unconscious for at most zero seconds.

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If statement S2 is false, S3 is false. S2 is false. Therefore, S3 is false.(1)

If statement S3 is false, S4 is true. S3 is false. Therefore, S4 is true.

If statement S5 is true, S6 is true. S5 is true. Therefore, S6 is true.

If statement S6 is true, S1 is true. S6 is true. Therefore, S1 is true.(2),(3),(4)


Notes:

1. In order for an unconscious state to persist, time has to pass.

2. We tend to think of unconsciousness as a state that can persist. However, unconsciousness is a state that cannot persist.

3. The argument presented above forces us to rethink the nature of consciousness.

4. Unconsciousness can exist for at most one moment (i.e., for at most zero seconds).


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Adhanom Andemicael






Jcs-online, msg# 18117

[Harland Harrison]
PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY "S2 IS FALSE"

> S2: Between m1 and m2, time passes for a duration greater than zero seconds.
> - m1 is the moment "1:00 pm, Jan. 1, 2000."
> - m2 is the moment "2:00 pm, Jan. 1, 2000.."

m2-m1=60*60>0



thanks
Harland Harrison

[Adhanom Andemicael]
In order for time flow to occur between m1 and m2, Newton's time must exist. Newton's time does not exist. Therefore, time flow cannot occur between m1 and m2.(1)

[Adhanom Andemicael]
If consciousness does not exist, time flow does not occur.(2) If time flow does not occur, persistence does not occur. Therefore, if consciousness does not exist, persistence does not occur.

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If unconsciousness exists, consciousness does not exist. If consciousness does not exist, persistence does not occur. Therefore, if unconsciousness exists, persistence does not occur.

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Can unconsciousness persist?

A necessary condition for unconsciousness to persist is the following: Persistence must occur while unconsciousness exists. Note however, persistence cannot occur while unconsciousness exists. The answer to the question posed above is therefore "no."

We must conclude that unconsciousness cannot persist.

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Let us consider the following statements:

S1: O_A's subjective time passes if and only if O_A is conscious.
S2: Between m1 and m2, O_A is not conscious.

S3: Between m1 and m2, O_A's subjective time does not pass.

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S4: No objective time passes between points in Einstein's time.(3),(4)
S5: m1 and m2 are points in Einstein's time.

S6: No objective time passes between m1 and m2.

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S7: O_A's subjective time does not pass between m1 and m2.
S8: No objective time passes between m1 and m2.

S9: No time passes between m1 and m2.

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If S1 and S2 are true, then S3 is true. S1 and S2 are true. Therefore, S3 is true.

If S4 and S5 are true, then S6 is true. S4 and S5 are true. Therefore, S6 is true.

If S7 and S8 are true, then S9 is true. S7 and S8 are true. Therefore, S9 is true.


Notes:

1. Newton's time is the only kind of time that can elapse between m1 and m2. Neither Einstein's time nor O_A's subjective time elapses between m1 and m2. (Note: O_A's subjective time elapses if and only if O_A is conscious.)

2. Note: I'm referring to a scenario in which only one conscious observer (i.e., O_A) exists.

3. Einstein's time is static. (It never "passes" or "flows.")

4. The terms "pass," "flow," and "elapse" are synonymous.


Original post:
https://groups.yahoo..com/neo/groups/jcs-online/conversations/messages/18101

Website:
http://time-mind.net/intro.html



Adhanom Andemicael


Re: Jcs-online, msg# 18117 (clarification)

[Adhanom Andemicael]
In Jcs msg# 18117, when I say "unconsciousness exists," I mean "no observer is conscious."

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(Note: If O_A is unconscious, the statement "unconsciousness exists" is true. If O_A is conscious, the statement "unconsciousness exists" is false.)

 
 
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